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Yves

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Just finished and (finaly, at last !) installed this on 31 December 2018.
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Beautiful work ! A labor of love I'm sure about how many hours would you guess ?
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Beautiful work! Are your rings forge welded?
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Excellent. Thank you for posting such fine work. Your craftmanship helps inspire others. I know it inspires me. Love to see the consistency in your work.
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Beautiful work ! A labor of love I'm sure about how many hours would you guess ?


I put in more or less 175 hours. And yes it was a labor of love.

I am happy that the work pleases you.

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Beautiful work! Are your rings forge welded?


I am glad that the work pleases you.

No, the rings were not welded.

For one thing it was not necessary. The strenght comes from the riveting of the flats together. The collaring of the rings to the structure is a reinforcement.

For another, I am not that good. The rings had to be 4-5/16" Ø. I do not think that I would be able to forge weld so accurately 63 rings. I could not charge for the time involved in such an operation that as I mentioned, was not necessary.

To elaborate on this : given the precision necessary in this context, I do not see how I could calculate precisely the amount of material I would use to upset the material.

The rings being forged out of a flat 1/8"x3/8" it would be difficult to just upset such small material, at least for me. Even more difficult to upset precisely.

And then gain, even if could find the right lenght to cut, and  if I could easily upset the flats, I am not sure that I could forge weld at the necessary diameter all 63 rings. Once a ring is welded, if it is too small, it could be forged to the  proper dimension but not without a modification of the appearance of the steel. And if it is too large … forget it. Any correction I could bring to the diameter would look lik a sore thumb. There was no wigling around the 4-5/16" Ø.

I must confess I thought about forge welding the rings but I backed down.

To sum up : since it was not necessary to forge weld the rings, it would have been an error to do so and charge the client for the time involved.


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Very nice work Yves. 
Don't apologise for electric welding rather than forge welding. it would be absurd to do this 63 times for the sake of ... (?)
As long as your rings are not bent cold with a machine, you are on a winner. 

if you ever want to do this again, try a grill with only rings without the bars, and short diagonal spikes pointing in the void at 45.  

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Very nice work Yves. 
Don't apologise for electric welding rather than forge welding. it would be absurd to do this 63 times for the sake of ... (?)
As long as your rings are not bent cold with a machine, you are on a winner. 

if you ever want to do this again, try a grill with only rings without the bars, and short diagonal spikes pointing in the void at 45.  


I thank you for the compliment.

The rings were bent hot around a jig I made and adjusted hot to a square of 4-5/16" sides

I tacked the rings in place (1 or 2 tacks). Then, I collared the rings to the structure where there were no tacks. I then grinded the tacks. If not, the collars would have been too short encompassing the mass of the tacks. The grinding made for the collars to fit tight. See the pic below.
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Let me add that if I would have welded parts together I would not apologize. I already am not a traditional blacksmith anyway since I work alone and I am amongst those who believe that blacksmiths have always used the best tools for the job. It has also come to my attention reading here and there that Edgar Brandt , Samuel Yelin and the likes of Mr. Whitaker have used the help of Mr, Miller …

To conclude, the gril is riveted together, collared together but not welded together. There was no need to, The collars' ends meet and the line where they meet is hidden by a collar.

Would you have a drawing or a picture of what you had in mind that you want me to try ? Did you do something lke that?

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Very nice piece of work !!.................[cool]
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Amazing and masterful work
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Norseman C.B.,

Grandadz Forge,

I thank you for your kind comments.

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making stuff like this is why I want to get into metal work! thank you for sharing
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making stuff like this is why I want to get into metal work! thank you for sharing

Do it! Do it now! Godspeed

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making stuff like this is why I want to get into metal work! thank you for sharing


Like the man said, "Do it now !"

The forging of the parts of this grille is simple : the rings (63 of them) were first bent hot around a jig and then adjusted with hammer and anvil to the precise dimensions ; the collars were first forged half round on a swage block from 1/4" square cold rolled bars (40 feet of them for 150 collars) and then bent in a U shape and finaly wrapped with torches to avoid flats to be forged on the front part of the collars ; rivets, 120 of them but still only riveting.

The only real difficulty was the forging of the U shapes in the horizontal bars so that they would precisely cross the vertical bars to produce 4-5/16" squares to receive the rings. 

Just go ahead, dream it, draw it and forge it. It does not have to be that big a grille. The following pics show the grils I forged for the doors of my smithy.The large ones are for the storage area and the second pic is of the entrance to my forge. Again, simple work.

Good luck and again, like the man said …

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I have had successes and setbacks but am working harder than ever getting everything set up, Its been the dream for over 15 years now. Collecting tools and having my anvil by my bed side in college. Thanks for the inspirations!
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