Skarzs the Cave Troll
Hey fellas.
I was approached by a family friend and was asked to make some barbecue utensils with a Fleur de lis somewhere in the design. If any of you are not familiar with it, this is the design:
[Fleur-de-lis] 
I'm not entirely sure how to go about making this. What I could do is forge three pieces and arc weld them together, but I kind of want to leave that as a last resort, since I really want to see if I can make it from one piece.

Do any of you have ideas?
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NorrinRadd
I actually had plans to something similar a long time ago but it just hasn't happened yet. I studied this for a while and had some nice Cad drawings of one way i thought might work. But I don't have access to them right now so I sketched something very quick so you could the jist, please excuse the quality of the sketching. I've made a few out if clay for testing and one out of some 1/8" sheet metal so I think it could be done. I'm sure someone has made them like this before. If you try it progress pics would be cool. Good luck with it.

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you could play around with the curves of the cuts to get what ever profile you want in the your center piece. Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_20160527_131444546.jpg, Views: 29, Size: 1.09 MB
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Hank Rearden
I think I would design the handle and to be the center of the fleur de li. Upset the end slightly and then take her to a four-sided point then I would fuller the area where the banding goes and then I would Forge two separate pieces and makeup the side leafs. Then I would use a chisel and shape the bottom into the handle you may even upset it slightly to help get that shape in it and then I would just draw out the end to whatever utensil you were making.
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
Ooh. I like that idea, Hank. Often it just takes another's mind to get the thinking outside my little box.

And thank you, too, Norrin, even though I probably won't be using your idea.
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NorrinRadd
No problem. I thought you were looking for a way to Forge it out of one piece. Are you going to Arc weld it together under the band? Copper banding would look good on a steel utensil. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Good luck with it
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Hank Rearden
Dirtysmith has a video on collars here's the link.

Mark Aspery also did a piece on forging collars in a recent hammers blow. Maybe it's on youtube as well.

http://www.theironforgefire.com/post/dirty-smith-videos-intros-to-blacksmithing-techniques-7829143
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
I was there when Mark Aspery did a demonstration in which he made a collar. Since it wasn't used for anything else for about eight months, I ended up knocking off the collar and using the piece for another project. . .

NorrinRadd wrote:
No problem. I thought you were looking for a way to Forge it out of one piece. Are you going to Arc weld it together under the band? Copper banding would look good on a steel utensil. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Good luck with it
I'm hoping to use some welding heat to stick the pieces together permanently, actually. And while copper would look lovely. . . I have none.
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Yves
Glad you came up with the subject. Here is one I am about to reproduce, the top part of the trammel in this article :
[image] 

I am looking at how exactly it was forged. It was probbaly something like the drawing above.
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
Looks like it was probably cut from a wide piece (something I don't have), like how Norrin showed.
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