Marc
Found a Peter Wright bench vice advertised on Gumtree. It says Peter Wright Patent, not "England" so it must be pre-1910. 
The guy is a picker and found the vice sunken in the dirt under a bench in a dirt floor garage. Most of the bolts were rusted out and one of the side spacers was gone too. Had to import the bolts from Fastenal in Winona MN since they don't make 5/8 square head bolts here ... well we don't make anything anymore. 
Made a new spacer, the bottom plate and a new tripod to mount on. The legs are RHS 5"x2.5"x1/4"  Plate base is 12mm. 
The plate is from an old boat cradle the previous owner abandoned when he sold the house. The wheels were attached to it. The RHS was given to me by a neighbour. it used to hold up his garage roof. He pulled it down since it was way too heavy for that and was laying in his yard for years. we had to drag the stuff one by one with the car since each one is over 100 k. I chopped a few bits for the tripod and will probably make a stand for one of the anvils too. May be the PW 280lb will get a new stand. 

The two front legs are at 20 degrees angle and the rear is at 30. I borrowed a dumbbell from my son in law to counterbalance the back with 20K weights. It is pretty solid ... [smile]


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If you have suggestions for an anvil stand post them here. I will be using the same RHS and buy a one inch plate for the base I suppose. Ideas welcome [smile]
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jmccustomknives
Pretty awesome rejuve.  [cool][thumb]

Rule #10;  "I can make that" translates to; "I'm to cheap to buy it new."

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theengel
That's impressive.
Or, if not smithies per se, were you otherwise trained in the metallurgic arts before straitened circumstances forced you into a life of aimless wanderin'?
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Scrambler82
Thats a good find !  That would have been a great Mate for my PW Anvil.

I took off from your post Marc, about GUMTREE, I had never heard of it, started searching !

I got UK, Australia, etc... and didn't know you were from Australia, so I wondered what the freight was going to be for the Vice and then "Light Dawned on Marble Head" (Local Expression) and I looked to see where you were from.

Ltr
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GrevB
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Marc
You have Gumtree in the US. 

Much that passes as idealism, is disguised hatred or disguised love of power. Bertrand Russell
 
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confederatemule
I like this vice. I can't offer any stand suggestions because I am only familiar with solidly mounted vices. In case you might wonder I have worked around vices for 60+ years. I started swamping in a truck repair garage when I was 11 years old.

Please pardon my stupidity, but I'm old and when I went to school I was taught to read and spell out words. I can't decipher initials.

What does RHS stand for?   

Mule


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Scrambler82
confederatemule wrote:


What does RHS stand for?   

Mule


Im with you Mule, I do not understand a lot of these abbreviation too !

Im just getting use to the Face Book short version of "FB"; although, I do like "THKS" for Thanks and "PITA" for Pain In The AXX,  (I may get sacked for that one)..., and of course the "LOL" for Laugh Out Loud",  but "RHS" to me means Rockport High School or in referencing the Legs of the Stand it could mean "Real Hard Stuff"... !

I think there used to be a grammar rule that stated something like... If you use Initials within a sentence, the first use needs to be spelled out with the initials following in parentheses, then all other use of the initials will reference back to the first usage !

Don't quote me here I know what to do just how to say it is another thing.

Example:  I am using Stainless Steel (S/S) for my next project, they say S/S is rust resistant.

S/S is a commonly used abbreviation but it is only to show my point.

Sorry got carried away, now if I can get my Blacksmithing to this point I will be good to go !

p.s.  I meant to say, "There are no stupid people, there are either people that do not understand or people that do not want to learn" !
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Marc
Yes, sorry, force of habit. RHS and SHS are common abbreviations for steel merchants. Rectangular Hollow Section and Square Hollow Section. Just like HDG is Hot Dip Galvanised and a few more.  
How do you call RHS?
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
Awesome!

On question, though: How are you supposed to use bolts in those holes in the feet if you can only fit in two inch bolts? [wink]
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Scrambler82
Marc wrote:
How do you call RHS?


Marc,

To me, I call it Rectangular Tubing and then there is Square Tubing, and Round Tubing, all different but tubing.
I could get confused with "RHS" Rectangular or Round ?

The key word is Tubing, tubing is always hollow to me.


Marc, I will check out GUMTREE.US... wasn't aware of the site, thanks !
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confederatemule
Scrambler82 wrote:


Marc,

To me, I call it Rectangular Tubing and then there is Square Tubing, and Round Tubing, all different but tubing.

The key word is Tubing, tubing is always hollow to me.


I agree with Scrambler82.
Because of abbreviations, I have almost stopped reading thangs on facebook. In my opinion it is pure laziness or illiteracy on the part of the writer. No offense intended towards you, Mark.

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confederatemule
Skarzs the Cave Troll wrote:
Awesome!

On question, though: How are you supposed to use bolts in those holes in the feet if you can only fit in two inch bolts? [wink]


I, also, wondered about that. Being on the inside of the angle makes for a tight fit.

Mule
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Scrambler82
confederatemule wrote:


I agree with Scrambler82.
Because of abbreviations, I have almost stopped reading thangs on facebook. In my opinion it is pure laziness or illiteracy on the part of the writer. No offense intended towards you, Mark.

Mule


Mule,

Don't stop reading things, write down the abbreviation, ask the originator of the post (OP), for an explanation, then write that down, after a while it will register what the abbreviations mean, simple right, took me a while.

When I started working the web and Truck Sites, I wrote all kinds of stuff down, the Wife said I had too many "Post-Its" all over the computer screen but in the long run everything started to sink in !

I didn't even know what LOL was, there are different ones for every Site, odd as that is is standard operating procedure.

I use "Ltr" and "Thks" a lot, they aren't abbreviations, they are words with vowels removed, something back when I used to work we did to shorten internal memos.    
Meanings to me:
"Ltr" = Later
"Thks" = Thanks
Always seemed simple to me but others outside of work didn't understand.

If ever you do not understand an abbreviation and can't get an answer, please feel free to ask me !

Used to do the same thing for KeyStrokes, write it down, something about the brain like to see the arm and hand doing something.
I still have some of the Keystroke Post-Its on my desk shelf, I look at them too, always good to be prepared !

Ltr...
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GrevB
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Scrambler82
Skarzs the Cave Troll wrote:
Awesome!

On question, though: How are you supposed to use bolts in those holes in the feet if you can only fit in two inch bolts? [wink]


This may sound stupid... but can someone tell me where the 2" Bolts go that are being talked about ?

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GrevB
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confederatemule
Scrambler82 wrote:


This may sound stupid... but can someone tell me where the 2" Bolts go that are being talked about ?


[image]Look at the bottom of the rectangular tubing. There is a plate with a bolt hole for anchoring welded to the bottom. Being on the inside it looks like the bolt will have to be short. Course if it is set down on anchor bolts/studs already anchored into the floor that would eliminate the problem.  
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Scrambler82
I notices that after I posted, thank you, too tight for almost any bolts.

The idea of the Anchor Bolts is a good one... or you could drill a large hole in the front of the Tubing and then go through the foot plate !


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Marc
I'll clarify ... [smile]

When I built the stand, the idea was to have a sturdy vice that can be moved to different spots. Not an easy proposition since a vice, as opposed to an anvil, takes a lot of push and shove that would destabilise a stand that is not anchored to the ground. I see some have tried to overcome this by having a round plate that the operator is supposed to stand on.
I don't like the idea of a stand acting as a leaver to push me around together with the vice and that I can topple over myself. 

So a compromise was a very heavy tripod with legs open enough to give a large base without interfering too much with my legs and a counterbalance at the back. it works well and the idea of the base plates turned inside is so that they are out of the way, not a tripping hazard yet could be used to bolt the tripod down if at some stage the vice gets a permanent spot in the shop. Anchoring to concrete can be done with 12mm Dynabolts fit to the concrete. The threaded section will stick up enough for the 8mm plate and the 10mm nut. The tripod can be lifted over it.
If it need to be bolted or screwed down, this can be done too by packing the tripod off the floor and lower it as you tighten the bolt or screw. I don't think I'll ever chose this method but it can be done providing the screw or bolt are not a tight fit to the 12mm hole. of course the hole can be made bigger, or drilled at an angle. A larger hole in the leg to fit the head of the bolt is possible but I don't fancy drilling a 3/4" hole at an angle into a 1/4 thick RHS and with the base plate in the way. If this was necessary i would bend the base plate out of the way, drill two holes next to each other with a magnetic base drill and then make the base flat again.  Wouldn't dream of doing this but such would be the procedure. 

As far as abbreviations or rather acronyms, they have been in use before modern English and are a real pain when you are not familiar with them. They are very common in technical jargon in any discipline you can think of. RHS, SHS, RSJ and many others are acronyms used in the building industry to describe steel profiles and the best way to communicate with the steel merchant when you need something.  
Different countries use different ways to describe profiles. We call universal beam what you call I beam, and many other differences. Of course a descriptive name like tubing can be understood anywhere.
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
Ah, makes sense.
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Skarzs the Cave Troll
Ah, makes sense.
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Scrambler82
X 3 on Skarzs comment.

Also, and please do not take offense...  but an "acronyms" is initials that form a word !
So "RHS", SHS are just initials for the particular stock you are using... different worlds, different way to say the same thing.



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Scrambler82
X 3 on Skarzs the Cave Troll's comment.

Also, and please do not take offense...  but an "acronyms" is initials that form a word !
So "RHS", SHS are just initials for the particular stock you are using... different worlds, different way to say the same thing.
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Marc
Not that it matters ... but it depends who you ask ... about the acronym thingy that is ... lets see what Merriam Webster has to say [smile]

What is the difference between the words acronym and initialism?

Acronym is a fairly recent word, dating from the 1940s, although acronyms existed long before we gave them that name. The term was preceded in English by the word initialism, meaning an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of a phrase, and which has been in use since the late 19th century.

Some people feel strongly that acronym should only be used for terms like NATO, which is pronounced as a single word, and that initialism should be used if the individual letters are all pronounced distinctly, as with FBI. Our research shows that acronym is commonly used to refer to both types of abbreviations.

But anyway ... who cares, acronym, initialism, italianism, officialism, albeism, absolutism, ageism ... who knows any more words [biggrin]

I
 got an acronym ... FOWLA ... the forging and welding association [smile] ... wait a moment ... that would be the federation of Welders in Los Angeles ... mm ... FAWA forgers and welders association. BOSS ... Blacksmiths of Sydney Syndicate [smile] love it. 
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Scrambler82
Morn'n Marc,

Again... not trying to make to much of this but I have looked around and can not find a description of an acronym similar to what you posted... where did you locate it !

All I find is what I posted before.

"A word created from the first letters of each word in a series of words: 
NASA is an acronym for National Aeronautics and Space Administration".


Can you post a link for me please.

Thanks for that.


I can see how things get off topic real fast, I guess I should have started another thread.

Hows the Vice Stand doing, looked good and your welding is really good.

ADDED:

Found it off your post.

Interesting and "I stand corrected" !

If someone has said to me what does that "acronym" mean, I would have looked for a word first... maybe initials but would've taken me a while.

Thanks for straightening me out, I have learn something today already.  (& AM here when I first read it).

Ltr... and "LTR" to me is "ABBRIVIATIONISM" which isn't a word at all !  LoL !

Have a good day, Mate !
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Marc
Yes, language is fun, and staying on subject ... well, I never understood the need for that haha.
I like to use the proper words anytime possible but I am not a purist and understand words change with use if we like it or not. My first language I learned from my mother was German, followed closely by Italian I had to learn to communicate with my father that returned from an outpost after the war. A few years later at age 6 I had to go to the local school that was in a Spanish speaking country so once again needed to learn it out of necessity. Not long after that started English classes part of the school curriculum followed by French the next year and for the next 4 years. I always enjoyed comparing the different expressions and finding common origins. Yes we also had Latin classes but I did not enjoy that. Besides the Catholic church no one speaks Latin and the root of words was not enough incentive to be interested. Had a go at Japanese not long ago but picked the wrong class, a mixture of Japanese nationals and complete novices with a Japanese teacher who would ignore the newbies. Did not work for me. 
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Hank Rearden
Nice work.
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Marc, great quote, and very true
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